graetz: 3284; Musica
graetz: 3284; Musica
Dear Radiofriends,
I've here one Graetz Musica 4R UKW-Vollsuper. I think it is the one in this model's page. Do you agree?
I think it is the one because:
I saw it in http://www.del-service.de/musica_serie.htm (I noticed there that its model's number is nr.3284).
Inside of this radio I can see also serie 188/4R. This 188 maybe the 188W also described in that site. Am I right?
Well, I've here its photo to upload in Rmorg.
Unfortunately I've not the schematic. I need one to fix it. Do You help me?
Best Regards
Mário Coelho
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hi,
schematic is uploaded now.
Franz-Josef
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Thanks a lot
Liebe Franz-Josef,
Thank You very, very much ,for your prompt reply and your schematic.
Your schematic is very important to me to fix this radio.
However, I'm still wondering the identity of this radio, because:
1-It is a Graetz Musica. No doubt.
2-I think it is a 3284 because Musica and Musica 188W are the same, according to that site.
But in the rear cap I can see Musica 4R UKW- 4R Vollsuper .
This is a little confused. Isn't it ?
Freundliche Grüße
Mário Coelho
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Graetz Musica 1954 bis 1957
Hier die Geräteübersicht:
Saison 1954 / 1955 |
Musica (188W) |
3284 |
Saison 1954 / 1955 |
Musica 4R |
3361 |
Saison 1955 / 1956 |
Musica 4R 217 |
3391 |
Saison 1956 / 1957 |
Musica 4R 417 |
3538 |
Viele Grüße!
Jens Dehne
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4R or 188W?
Dank Dear Jens Dehne for your help.
However I'm not able to identify my radio yet.
My radio is Musica (front side)
4R UKW -Vollksuper (in the rear cover)
Serie 188/4R (label inside of the cabinet).
Reading your table how can it be 4R and 188 simultaneously ?
Thank you for your time.
Viele Grüße
Mário Coelho
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Zusammenfassung bevor es verloren geht.
Mario Coelho versuchte ein Modell mit folgenden Namen anzulegen.
Modell-Name: Musica 4R UKW-Vollsuper
Modell-Type: 188/4R
Dieses Modell wurde verworfen, da es angeblich NIE produziert wurde,
Hier ist nun ein Fall aufgetreten, wo man sehen kann, dass auch ein Modell angelegt werden sollte, wenn man der Meinung ist "wurde nie produziert". Nun hat diese Modell doch seine Existenzberechtigung.
Weiters wurde das Modell
Musica 4R, (188/4R 188W um diese Daten erweitert). Modell ID=1747.
Ist somit ein Zwitter entstanden?
For Mario, I think Your schematic is on Modell-ID 1747.
Schematic modell name is:
6/9Kreis UKW-Vollsuper, Musica 4R, nr.: 3361
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/graetz_musica_4r.html
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188W - Musica - Musica 4R aus 1954
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radio tab
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More consentaneous
Thank You Gentleman for your replies and for your help.
The pity is, I don't understand German language, and also the Irish idiom is not very easy to me :-), to allow me to understand better your messages.
Well, Altavista could help in German, and I think I could perceive, after all, the meaning of your explanations.
Yes, Gentleman I think also as You, that:
Musica 4R (188/4R 188W) Mod.-ID1747. http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/graetz_musica_4r.html
is the more consentaneous model for this radio.
I have pressed the tab, as Mr. Maitiu advises, and yes, it is there.
So I'll put its photo in its right page.
Friendly Regards
Mário Coelho
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radio picture
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Quick translation
I produced a quick translation of Jens´s German text which may help getting the message through.
Danke
Many thanks,
Es ist durchaus möglich, das beide Modelle – „Musica“ und „Musica 4R“ – zeitgleich produziert wurden
It´s likely that both models, Musica and Musica 4R are produced at the same time
„Musica“ auf der Front unter den Tasten steht auch noch bei späteren Modellen ohne weiteren Zusatz
Later models have the Musica Logo on it´s front without additional specification
Die Skalenscheiben sind bei den Modellen „Musica“ und „Musica 4R“ identisch, der Unterschied ist die Schaltung der NF- Endstufe und die Lautsprecherbestückung
Musica and Musica 4R carry identical scale glasses, but they have different audio amplifiers and speaker sets
Die „188“ entstammt der Serienchronologie der vorhergehenden Graetzmodelle, das „W“ wie Wechselstromgerät
188 is a relict of the former Graetz´s production lines, W stands for AC
So schließt sich der Kreis um „188 W“, „Musica“ und „Musica 4R“
Logischerweise hätte das Gerät „Musica 4R“ eine andere Nummer als „188“ bekommen müssen, ist ja nicht identisch mit dem „Musica“
This explains the different labels as 188W, Musica and Musica 4R
Werksintern hatte man allerdings auch schon vorher einen anderen Nummernkreis, welcher das Modell und auch spezifisch mit weiteren Ziffern Teile und Baugruppen für die Fertigung und Ersatz beschrieb
In-plant, Graetz had an internal code which specified the the models and, with further numbers, components and parts
Soweit in aller Kürze vorab und in deutsch (Zeitmangel), bei passender Gelegenheit komme ich auf diese Problematik, welche auch andere Graetz-Modelle betrifft, zurück
Viel Spaß an diesem Radio!
Jens Dehne
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Nice to listen You
Liebe Hans,
Nice to listen You here, in the English Forum, again.
Dank for your translation.
Also, I just confirmed that my Musica wires are according to model 3361 schematic.
So, this model is a Musica 4R (188/4R 188W) 3361 . Now all is clarified.
Freundliche Grüße
Mário Coelho
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