RADIO WELCO (MIGNON)

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RADIO WELCO (MIGNON) 
06.Jun.07 09:13
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Jose Duarte Costa (P)
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Dear Radiofriends,
I bought one Welco Mignon tube 6D6,6C6 ,43 ,55A1 ,25Z5
I tried to find the manufacturer but I got nothing.
Some similar radios are:Halson radio Mod MG5 

Do You know this Welco?
I would like to create this new model in Rmorg.
All you can tell me is wellcome.
Best Regards
José Duarte Costa

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07.Jun.07 10:00

Mark Hippenstiel (D)
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Dear José,

in the hope that the grille design was typical for a manufacturer I browsed our database from the years 1929 to 1939 for US models with pictures. Sorry to say that I only found one remotely similar grille design.

It's not for certain that "Welco" is a manufacturer. Where do you take the name "Mignon" from? Are there any hints on the individual components? Maybe you can supply a better picture of the chassis. If you should find patent numbers somewhere, this may also be helpful.

What makes you say that the MG-5 is similar, except for the current regulator (dismissible) and the 43 and 25Z5 tubes (vastly used and documented with > 500 models)?

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Mark

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07.Jun.07 15:54

Konrad Birkner † 12.08.2014 (D)
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I cannot locate any similar tube lineup.

And whats more: No similar left hand dial .
 
The only  cabinet of similar style would be a Philco 38-12 , but reversed (mirror imaged): left hand grille. See http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/philco_38_12.html .
Lafayette FS60 has a similar grille (mirrored) and the same tubes as the Welco but a different ballast.
My ressources are exhausted:
 -  Bunis/Slusser vol.2 - 6;
 -  Machine Age to Jet Age vol 1 - 4;
 -  Blast of the Past.
 All I can say: it is obviously 1938 style
I have never seen a Halson having right hand grille and left hand dial.
And the tube complement of the MG-5is entirely different.The 5-LE has similar vacuum tubes, but a different ballast.  There is no similarity at all. Sorry.
Regards,
KoBi

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RADIO WELCO (MIGNON) 
20.Jun.07 08:43

Jose Duarte Costa (P)
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Dear Radiofriends,

Thank You for your answers and help.
I send now the photos of  the label where is written Mignon and a better photo of the chassis.

Jose Duarte
Best Regards

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Tubes 
21.Jun.07 15:16

Jose Duarte Costa (P)
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I forgot to explain why I said the  Halson MG-5 is similar.

It has the same tube series. See in Nostalgiaair (picture in Attache).

Best Regards

 José Duarte Costa

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21.Jun.07 19:00

Mark Hippenstiel (D)
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In rm.org (as well as on NA) we have the following tubes for the MG-5: 6K7, 6J7, 43, 25Z5 and the 55A1 as a ballast.

You name a tube line-up of 6D6, 6C6, 43, 55A1, 25Z5.

You are obviously talking about the Halson 5L-E. This is a completely different model and comes with a L49B urdox regulator. There are 2 models on the Halson sheet: MG-5 and 5L-E.

So except for this remote similarity, we're still lost with this one. I should suggest that -if you'd like to create the model im rm.org- the manufacturer should be 'unkown', USA, and the name simply Welco Mignon. We can move the thread to the model afterwards.

As a last resort, we still could have a look at type plate.

Mark

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Radio Welco (MIGNON) 
23.Jun.07 20:21

John Carter (GB)
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Hello Jose,

                   Could you take a close up photo of the Licence Plate on the rear of the chassis.  When I enlarge that part, and then sharpen it, I can just make out some of the print, but not all the letters are clear.  I can see the word CORPORATION.  The first word looks like HITLETIME, MOTELTIME or maybe HOYELTIME.  This may give a clue and something else to search for.

Thanks and regards,

John C.

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Radio Welco (MIGNON)  
25.Jun.07 18:31

Jose Duarte Costa (P)
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Hello John,
Thank You for your concern.
I attache the magnifyed  photo.
Best Regards
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Radio Welco (MIGNON) 
30.Jun.07 16:40

John Carter (GB)
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Hello Jose,

Thanks for the close-up photo of the Patent Licence Plate.  It confirms that the chassis part was made in the United States.  Welco is a very popular name for many producers of all sorts of products.  Many must have come and gone since the 1930's.  Some still exist but, it seems not making radios, that I can find. 

The word 'MIGNON' suggests to me that the radio was made for the French market, the case could have even been made there and the case and chassis put together there.  Why I say this is, the word 'Mignon' is a French word, used with affection, for small attractive items (as my aunt used to use for us as children). I attach a translation from the online dictionary ECTACO.

If someone has access to the US Radio Patents Pool for the 1930's, they may be able to find the firm Welco.  I am sorry I cannot help more.  I will continue looking!!

Regards, John C

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Mignon 
01.Jul.07 01:03

Roy Johnson (GB)
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Dear Jose, John,

There is a clue on the label.   FMC = Fairbanks Morse Corporation.

There is no "Mignon/Welco" in the museum, but FMC is the manufacturer.

Regards,

Roy

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Fairbanks Morse & Co.  
15.Jul.07 10:03

Ernst Erb (CH)
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Dear Jose

I have now made 2 new entries "code-9" to our maker/brand list:

FMC - see Fairbanks Morse & Co.

and

Welco - see Fairbanks Morse & Co.

I hope you can now introduce the new model as "unknown" model to Fairbanks Morse & Co.
I would be glad if you then tell us so that somebody can move this thread to your new model.
Thank you in advance.

Cordially,
Ernest


 

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26.Jul.07 19:06

Jose Duarte Costa (P)
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Dear Gentlemen,
I just arrived from holidays.
Thank you for your help. I just created this new model in Fairbanks.

Best regards

Jose Duarte

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WHELCO or WELCO? 
30.Jul.07 07:58

Ernst Erb (CH)
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Dear Jose

I saw that your entry was locked for many days because the model admins did not become an answer for one tube which you named 53A1.

It then can not get through because the tube is not in our table and will be added if it is fore sure only. I have put in unknown and we still hope you can tell us the name.

On the other hand you named it WHELCO but here in the thread I alsways read WELCO.
Therefore I also have changed without your permission ...

I hope you can clear it with Konrad Birkner so that the model can go up and you can load your pictures to it ;-)

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